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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:03 pm    Sujet du message: US Politics Répondre en citant

Je me propose de faire un resume journalier(en video)de la presintielle US si possible avec cles transcripts des speech

C'est clair ke je deja choisi mon Champion mais j'essaierai d'en faire autant pour McCain
ici le discours de John Kerry



la partie(en gras dans le transcript) qui me casse le cotes c entre la 4 et la 5 min Laughing Laughing Laughing

le speech


Thank you so much. Four years ago, you gave me the honor of fighting our fight. I was proud to stand with you then, and I am proud to stand with you now, to help elect Barack Obama as President of the United States.

In 2004, we came so close to victory. We are even closer now, and let me tell you, this time we're going to win. Today, the call for change is more powerful than ever, and with more seats in Congress, with more people with more passion engaged in our politics, and with a President Obama, we stand on the brink of the greatest opportunity of our generation to move this country forward.

The stakes could not be higher, because we do know what a McCain administration would look like: just like the past, just like George Bush. And this country can't afford a third Bush term. Just think: John McCain voted with George Bush 90 percent of the time. Ninety percent of George Bush is just more than we can take.

Never in modern history has an administration squandered American power so recklessly. Never has strategy been so replaced by ideology. Never has extremism so crowded out common sense and fundamental American values. Never has short-term partisan politics so depleted the strength of America's bipartisan foreign policy.

George Bush, with John McCain at his side, promised to spread freedom but delivered the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time. They misread the threat and misled the country. Instead of freedom, it's Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban and dictators everywhere that are on the march. North Korea has more bombs, and Iran is defiantly chasing one.

Our mission is to restore America's influence and position in the world. We must use all the weapons in our arsenal, above all, our values. President Obama and Vice President Biden will shut down Guantanamo, respect the Constitution, and make clear once and for all, the United States of America does not torture, not now, not ever.

We must listen and lead by example because even a nation as powerful as the United States needs some friends in this world. We need a leader who understands all our security challenges, not just bombs and guns, but global warming, global terror and global AIDS. And Barack Obama understands there is no way for America to be secure until we create clean energy here at home, not with a little more oil in five, 10 or 20 years, but with an energy revolution starting right now.

I have known and been friends with John McCain for almost 22 years. But every day now I learn something new about candidate McCain. To those who still believe in the myth of a maverick instead of the reality of a politician, I say, let's compare Senator McCain to candidate McCain.

Candidate McCain now supports the wartime tax cuts that Senator McCain once denounced as immoral. Candidate McCain criticizes Senator McCain's own climate change bill. Candidate McCain says he would now vote against the immigration bill that Senator McCain wrote. Are you kidding? Talk about being for it before you're against it.


Let me tell you, before he ever debates Barack Obama, John McCain should finish the debate with himself. And what's more, Senator McCain, who once railed against the smears of Karl Rove when he was the target, has morphed into candidate McCain who is using the same "Rove" tactics and the same "Rove" staff to repeat the same old politics of fear and smear. Well, not this year, not this time. The Rove-McCain tactics are old and outworn, and America will reject them in 2008.

So remember, when we choose a commander-in-chief this November, we are electing judgment and character, not years in the Senate or years on this earth. Time and again, Barack Obama has seen farther, thought harder, and listened better. And time and again, Barack Obama has been proven right.

When John McCain stood on the deck of an aircraft carrier just three months after 9/11 and proclaimed, "Next up, Baghdad!", Barack Obama saw, even then, "an occupation of "undetermined length, undetermined cost, undetermined consequences" that would "only fan the flames of the Middle East." Well, guess what? Mission accomplished.

So who can we trust to keep America safe? When Barack Obama promised to honor the best traditions of both parties and talk to our enemies, John McCain scoffed. George Bush called it "the soft comfort of appeasement." But today, Bush's diplomats are doing exactly what Obama said: talking with Iran.

So who can we trust to keep America safe? When democracy rolled out of Russia, and the tanks rolled into Georgia, we saw John McCain respond immediately with the outdated thinking of the Cold War. Barack Obama responded like a statesman of the 21st century.

So who can we trust to keep America safe? When we called for a timetable to make Iraqis stand up for Iraq and bring our heroes home, John McCain called it "cut and run." But today, even President Bush has seen the light. He and Prime Minister Maliki agree on - guess what? - a timetable.

So who can we trust to keep America safe? The McCain-Bush Republicans have been wrong again and again and again. And they know they will lose on the issues. So, the candidate who once promised a "contest of ideas," now has nothing left but personal attacks. How insulting to suggest that those who question the mission, question the troops. How pathetic to suggest that those who question a failed policy doubt America itself. How desperate to tell the son of a single mother who chose community service over money and privilege that he doesn't put America first.

No one can question Barack Obama's patriotism. Like all of us, he was taught what it means to be an American by his family: his grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line in World War II, his grandfather who marched in Patton's army, and his great uncle who enlisted in the army right out of high school at the height of the war. And on a spring day in 1945, he helped liberate one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama's uncle is here with us tonight. Please join me in saluting this American hero, Charlie Payne. Charlie, your nephew, Barack Obama, will end this politics of distortion and division. He will be a president who seeks not to perfect the lies of Swift boating, but to end them once and for all.

This election is a chance for America to tell the merchants of fear and division: you don't decide who loves this country; you don't decide who is a patriot; you don't decide whose service counts and whose doesn't.

Four years ago I said, and I say it again tonight, that the flag doesn't belong to any ideology. It doesn't belong to any political party. It is an enduring symbol of our nation, and it belongs to all the American people. After all, patriotism is not love of power or some cheap trick to win votes; patriotism is love of country.

Years ago when we protested a war, people would weigh in against us saying, "My country right or wrong." Our answer? Absolutely, my country right or wrong. When right, keep it right. When wrong, make it right. Sometimes loving your country demands you must tell the truth to power.

This is one of those times, and Barack Obama is telling those truths.

In closing, let me say, I will always remember how we stood together in 2004, not just in a campaign, but for a cause. Now again we stand together in the ranks, ready to fight. The choice is clear; our cause is just; and now is our time to make Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

Thank you.

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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:12 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Joe Biden le Chien d'attaque de barack Obama

Après une introduction très émouvante de son fils Beau, rappelant les moments douloureux de leur vie de famille, le sénateur du Delaware prend la parole. Leçons personnelles, hommage à Barack Obama, salve contre son vieux confrère du sénat John McCain, et enfin coup de semonces sur la politique étrangère menée par George W. Bush, tout y était. Retour sur son discours en vidéo.



le Speech

Beau, I love you. I am so proud of you. Proud of the son you are. Proud of the father you've become. And I'm so proud of my son Hunter, my daughter Ashley, and my wife Jill, the only one who leaves me breathless and speechless at the same time.

It is an honor to share this stage tonight with President Clinton. And last night, it was moving to watch Hillary, one of the great leaders of our party, a woman who has made history and will continue to make history: my colleague and my friend, Senator Hillary Clinton.

And I am honored to represent our first state--my state--Delaware.

Since I've never been called a man of few words, let me say this as simply as I can: Yes. Yes, I accept your nomination to run and serve alongside our next President of the United States of America, Barack Obama.

Let me make this pledge to you right here and now. For every American who is trying to do the right thing, for all those people in government who are honoring their pledge to uphold the law and respect our Constitution, no longer will the eight most dreaded words in the English language be: "The vice president's office is on the phone."

Barack Obama and I took very different journeys to this destination, but we share a common story. Mine began in Scranton, Pennsylvania, and then Wilmington, Delaware. With a dad who fell on hard economic times, but who always told me: "Champ, when you get knocked down, get up. Get up."

I wish that my dad was here tonight, but I am so grateful that my mom, Catherine Eugenia Finnegan Biden, is here. You know, she taught her children--all the children who flocked to our house--that you are defined by your sense of honor, and you are redeemed by your loyalty. She believes bravery lives in every heart and her expectation is that it will be summoned.

Failure at some point in everyone's life is inevitable, but giving up is unforgivable. As a child I stuttered, and she lovingly told me it was because I was so bright I couldn't get the thoughts out quickly enough. When I was not as well dressed as others, she told me how handsome she thought I was. When I got knocked down by guys bigger than me, she sent me back out and demanded that I bloody their nose so I could walk down that street the next day.

After the accident, she told me, "Joey, God sends no cross you cannot bear." And when I triumphed, she was quick to remind me it was because of others.

My mother's creed is the American creed: No one is better than you. You are everyone's equal, and everyone is equal to you.

My parents taught us to live our faith, and treasure our family. We learned the dignity of work, and we were told that anyone can make it if they try.

That was America's promise. For those of us who grew up in middle-class neighborhoods like Scranton and Wilmington, that was the American dream and we knew it.

But today that American dream feels as if it's slowly slipping away. I don't need to tell you that. You feel it every single day in your own lives.

I've never seen a time when Washington has watched so many people get knocked down without doing anything to help them get back up. Almost every night, I take the train home to Wilmington, sometimes very late. As I look out the window at the homes we pass, I can almost hear what they're talking about at the kitchen table after they put the kids to bed.

Like millions of Americans, they're asking questions as profound as they are ordinary. Questions they never thought they would have to ask:

* Should mom move in with us now that dad is gone?
* Fifty, sixty, seventy dollars to fill up the car?
* Winter's coming. How we gonna pay the heating bills?
* Another year and no raise?
* Did you hear the company may be cutting our health care?
* Now, we owe more on the house than it's worth. How are we going to send the kids to college?
* How are we gonna be able to retire?

That's the America that George Bush has left us, and that's the future John McCain will give us. These are not isolated discussions among families down on their luck. These are common stories among middle-class people who worked hard and played by the rules on the promise that their tomorrows would be better than their yesterdays.

That promise is the bedrock of America. It defines who we are as a people. And now it's in jeopardy. I know it. You know it. But John McCain doesn't get it.

Barack Obama gets it. Like many of us, Barack worked his way up. His is a great American story.

You know, I believe the measure of a man isn't just the road he's traveled; it's the choices he's made along the way. Barack Obama could have done anything after he graduated from college. With all his talent and promise, he could have written his ticket to Wall Street. But that's not what he chose to do. He chose to go to Chicago. The South Side. There he met men and women who had lost their jobs. Their neighborhood was devastated when the local steel plant closed. Their dreams deferred. Their dignity shattered. Their self-esteem gone.

And he made their lives the work of his life. That's what you do when you've been raised by a single mom, who worked, went to school and raised two kids on her own. That's how you come to believe, to the very core of your being, that work is more than a paycheck. It's dignity. It's respect. It's about whether you can look your children in the eye and say: we're going to be ok.

Because Barack made that choice, 150,000 more children and parents have health care in Illinois. He fought to make that happen. And because Barack made that choice, working families in Illinois pay less taxes and more people have moved from welfare to the dignity of work. He got it done.

And when he came to Washington, I watched him hit the ground running, leading the fight to pass the most sweeping ethics reform in a generation. He reached across party lines to pass a law that helps keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists. And he moved Congress and the president to give our wounded veterans the care and dignity they deserve.

You can learn an awful lot about a man campaigning with him, debating him and seeing how he reacts under pressure. You learn about the strength of his mind, but even more importantly, you learn about the quality of his heart.

I watched how he touched people, how he inspired them, and I realized he has tapped into the oldest American belief of all: We don't have to accept a situation we cannot bear.

We have the power to change it. That's Barack Obama, and that's what he will do for this country. He'll change it.

John McCain is my friend. We've known each other for three decades. We've traveled the world together. It's a friendship that goes beyond politics. And the personal courage and heroism John demonstrated still amaze me.

But I profoundly disagree with the direction that John wants to take the country. For example,

John thinks that during the Bush years "we've made great progress economically." I think it's been abysmal.

And in the Senate, John sided with President Bush 95 percent of the time. Give me a break. When John McCain proposes $200 billion in new tax breaks for corporate America, $1 billion alone for just eight of the largest companies, but no relief for 100 million American families, that's not change; that's more of the same.

Even today, as oil companies post the biggest profits in history--a half trillion dollars in the last five years--he wants to give them another $4 billion in tax breaks. But he voted time and again against incentives for renewable energy: solar, wind, biofuels. That's not change; that's more of the same.

Millions of jobs have left our shores, yet John continues to support tax breaks for corporations that send them there. That's not change; that's more of the same.

He voted 19 times against raising the minimum wage. For people who are struggling just to get to the next day, that's not change; that's more of the same.

And when he says he will continue to spend $10 billion a month in Iraq when Iraq is sitting on a surplus of nearly $80 billion, that's not change; that's more of the same.

The choice in this election is clear. These times require more than a good soldier; they require a wise leader, a leader who can deliver change--the change everybody knows we need.

Barack Obama will deliver that change. Barack Obama will reform our tax code. He'll cut taxes for 95 percent of the American people who draw a paycheck. That's the change we need.

Barack Obama will transform our economy by making alternative energy a genuine national priority, creating 5 million new jobs and finally freeing us from the grip of foreign oil. That's the change we need.

Barack Obama knows that any country that out teaches us today will out-compete us tomorrow. He'll invest in the next generation of teachers. He'll make college more affordable. That's the change we need.

Barack Obama will bring down health care costs by $2,500 for the typical family, and, at long last, deliver affordable, accessible health care for all Americans. That's the change we need.

Barack Obama will put more cops on the streets, put the "security" back in Social Security and never give up until we achieve equal pay for women. That's the change we need.

As we gather here tonight, our country is less secure and more isolated than at any time in recent history. The Bush-McCain foreign policy has dug us into a very deep hole with very few friends to help us climb out. For the last seven years, this administration has failed to face the biggest forces shaping this century: the emergence of Russia, China and India as great powers; the spread of lethal weapons; the shortage of secure supplies of energy, food and water; the challenge of climate change; and the resurgence of fundamentalism in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the real central front against terrorism.

In recent days, we've once again seen the consequences of this neglect with Russia's challenge to the free and democratic country of Georgia. Barack Obama and I will end this neglect. We will hold Russia accountable for its actions, and we'll help the people of Georgia rebuild.

I've been on the ground in Georgia, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan, and I can tell you in no uncertain terms: this Administration's policy has been an abject failure. America cannot afford four more years of this.

Now, despite being complicit in this catastrophic foreign policy, John McCain says Barack Obama isn't ready to protect our national security. Now, let me ask you: whose judgment should we trust? Should we trust John McCain's judgment when he said only three years ago, "Afghanistan--we don't read about it anymore because it's succeeded"? Or should we trust Barack Obama, who more than a year ago called for sending two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan?

The fact is, al-Qaida and the Taliban--the people who actually attacked us on 9/11--have regrouped in those mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan and are plotting new attacks. And the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff echoed Barack's call for more troops.

John McCain was wrong. Barack Obama was right.

Should we trust John McCain's judgment when he rejected talking with Iran and then asked: What is there to talk about? Or Barack Obama, who said we must talk and make it clear to Iran that its conduct must change.

Now, after seven years of denial, even the Bush administration recognizes that we should talk to Iran, because that's the best way to advance our security.

Again, John McCain was wrong. Barack Obama was right.

Should we trust John McCain's judgment when he says there can be no timelines to draw down our troops from Iraq--that we must stay indefinitely? Or should we listen to Barack Obama, who says shift responsibility to the Iraqis and set a time to bring our combat troops home?

Now, after six long years, the Bush administration and the Iraqi government are on the verge of setting a date to bring our troops home.

John McCain was wrong. Barack Obama was right.

Again and again, on the most important national security issues of our time, John McCain was wrong, and Barack Obama was proven right.

Folks, remember when the world used to trust us? When they looked to us for leadership? With Barack Obama as our president, they'll look to us again, they'll trust us again, and we'll be able to lead again.

Jill and I are truly honored to join Barack and Michelle on this journey. When I look at their young children--and when I look at my grandchildren--I realize why I'm here. I'm here for their future.

And I am here for everyone I grew up with in Scranton and Wilmington. I am here for the cops and firefighters, the teachers and assembly line workers--the folks whose lives are the very measure of whether the American dream endures.

Our greatest presidents--from Abraham Lincoln to Franklin Roosevelt to John Kennedy--they all challenged us to embrace change. Now, it's our responsibility to meet that challenge.

Millions of Americans have been knocked down. And this is the time as Americans, together, we get back up. Our people are too good, our debt to our parents and grandparents too great, our obligation to our children is too sacred.

These are extraordinary times. This is an extraordinary election. The American people are ready. I'm ready. Barack Obama is ready. This is his time. This is our time. This is America's time.

May God bless America and protect our troops.

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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:16 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

On le disait amer, vexé que le camp Obama n'ait pas fait appel à lui pour mener campagne, déçu de la façon dont la presse et le Democratic National Committee avaient traité son épouse lors des primaires. Les délégués et militants réunis à la convention de Denver ont voulu rassurer Bill Clinton. Le Pepsi Center a acclamé l'ancien président démocrate pendant de nombreuses minutes, à tel point que Clinton n'arrêtant plus à faire taire la salle, a joué un remake du "Je vous demande de vous arrêter"


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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:56 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

J'ai suivi ces discours en direct ce matin à la T.V.
Ils étaient émouvants.
J'ai été bluffé par Bill Clinton et Kerry. Ils étaient trop bien.
Je n'ai pas bien suivi Jo Boden car je somnolais. Mais j'ai trop apprécié le moment où il a présenté sa mater. C'était trop bon.
En tout cas, le chic de ces gens c'est de faire le lien entre expériences personnelles et potentiel national.

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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:16 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Nji a écrit:
J'ai suivi ces discours en direct ce matin à la T.V.
Ils étaient émouvants.
J'ai été bluffé par Bill Clinton et Kerry. Ils étaient trop bien.
Je n'ai pas bien suivi Jo Boden car je somnolais. Mais j'ai trop apprécié le moment où il a présenté sa mater. C'était trop bon.
En tout cas, le chic de ces gens c'est de faire le lien entre expériences personnelles et potentiel national.


Joe Biden
cestes c la campagne pour l'election americaine est un show mais c un show que (presque) tout le monde aimerait vivre chez soit. c fascinant, c coe un film.

Je pense que si les clinton soutiennent franchement Obama, s'ils font franchement des tournees/campagnes electorales pour lui il gagnera a avec un ecart de plus de 10 points
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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:05 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

TheNeo a écrit:
Nji a écrit:
J'ai suivi ces discours en direct ce matin à la T.V.
Ils étaient émouvants.
J'ai été bluffé par Bill Clinton et Kerry. Ils étaient trop bien.
Je n'ai pas bien suivi Joe Biden car je somnolais. Mais j'ai trop apprécié le moment où il a présenté sa mater. C'était trop bon.
En tout cas, le chic de ces gens c'est de faire le lien entre expériences personnelles et potentiel national.


Joe Biden
cestes c la campagne pour l'election americaine est un show mais c un show que (presque) tout le monde aimerait vivre chez soit. c fascinant, c coe un film.

Je pense que si les clinton soutiennent franchement Obama, s'ils font franchement des tournees/campagnes electorales pour lui il gagnera a avec un ecart de plus de 10 points


Même si les Clinton ne soutiennent pas franchement Obama, ils vont aller en campagne et faire une part de boulot professionnelle. Car ils doivent faire savoir aux démocrates qu'une éventuelle défaite ne sera pas de leur faute.
Leur avenir politique en dépend.

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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:42 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Nji a écrit:
TheNeo a écrit:
Nji a écrit:
J'ai suivi ces discours en direct ce matin à la T.V.
Ils étaient émouvants.
J'ai été bluffé par Bill Clinton et Kerry. Ils étaient trop bien.
Je n'ai pas bien suivi Joe Biden car je somnolais. Mais j'ai trop apprécié le moment où il a présenté sa mater. C'était trop bon.
En tout cas, le chic de ces gens c'est de faire le lien entre expériences personnelles et potentiel national.


Joe Biden
cestes c la campagne pour l'election americaine est un show mais c un show que (presque) tout le monde aimerait vivre chez soit. c fascinant, c coe un film.

Je pense que si les clinton soutiennent franchement Obama, s'ils font franchement des tournees/campagnes electorales pour lui il gagnera a avec un ecart de plus de 10 points


Même si les Clinton ne soutiennent pas franchement Obama, ils vont aller en campagne et faire une part de boulot professionnelle. Car ils doivent faire savoir aux démocrates qu'une éventuelle défaite ne sera pas de leur faute.
Leur avenir politique en dépend.



Tu as tout dit Nji.
Les Clinton ne le font meme pas pour Obama, d'abord pour eux memes.
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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:07 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Le 27 juillet 2004, un jeune sénateur, connu seulement de quelques initiés de la vie politique américaine, accédait aussitôt à la notoriété à la faveur d'un discours inspiré sur ses racines et le rêve américain. C'est bien entendu en référence à ce discours fondateur qu'il faudra juger de la qualité du discours de Barack Obama ce soir seulement quatre ans plus tard, alors que l'homme politique ambitieux et talenteux d'alors prétend désormais à la plus haute fonction institutionnelle aux Etats-Unis : président.

Extrait :
"Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America.
There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.
The pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states.
We coach little league in the blue states and, yes, we've got some gay friends in the red states.
There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.
We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America."



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http://www.2004dnc.com/barackobamaspeech/index.html
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stp il intervient à quelle heure? heure de France stp

sinon ton topic est top Wink
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stp il intervient à quelle heure? heure de France stp

sinon ton topic est top Wink


A 2h15 GMT je suppose ca fait 3h15 en france
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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:20 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Suivez la convention democrate en live ici

http://www.demconvention.com/
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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:23 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

TheNeo a écrit:
soleil a écrit:
TheNeo a écrit:




stp il intervient à quelle heure? heure de France stp

sinon ton topic est top Wink


A 2h15 GMT je suppose ca fait 3h15 en france




merci Wink
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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:28 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

C'était sur les marches du Lincoln Memorial à Washington, il y a 45 ans, jour pour jour. Un patronage lourd à porter pour Barack Obama dans un pays dont il reste à savoir comment il va traiter, le jour du scrutin, la "question raciale" qui l'a tant hanté...





« I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right down in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plains and the crooked places will be made straight and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together. »

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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:36 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Je pose juste une question générale...n'est-ce pas un peu risqué pour Obama de mettre trop en avant Martin Luther King...ne devrait-il pas se présenter un peu plus comme lui et uniquement lui, candidat avec un projet, des idées, des ambitions, etc...?! (je ne dis pas comme certains de ses détracteurs qu'ils n'a pas d'idées et autres...je me demande simplement si cela ne va pas nourrir un peu plus ceux qui ne le considèrent que par capital de sympathie)...
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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:19 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

@ Otzi, tes questions sont tout a fait legitimes. C'est vrai que je n'avais pas encore peser cet aspect de sa campagne. Je ne sais pas combien de fois il a mis MLK devant, mais j'ose croire que dans sa campagne il se met en avant plus qu'il ne met MLK.
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otzi a écrit:
Je pose juste une question générale...n'est-ce pas un peu risqué pour Obama de mettre trop en avant Martin Luther King...ne devrait-il pas se présenter un peu plus comme lui et uniquement lui, candidat avec un projet, des idées, des ambitions, etc...?! (je ne dis pas comme certains de ses détracteurs qu'ils n'a pas d'idées et autres...je me demande simplement si cela ne va pas nourrir un peu plus ceux qui ne le considèrent que par capital de sympathie)...


c vrai ce que tu dis est juste mais c'est pas slt de martin luther king mais aussi de JFK(qui restent quand meme encore present dans l'esprit des US).

Si tu as eu a suivre les elections US tu remarquera que la sympathie joue un tres grand role, JFK, Reagan, Bill Clinton ont ete des gens avec charisme. JFK et clinton etait tres jeune quand il accedait a la white house lui aussi il est jeune et veut faire resortir cela.
Hillary par contre marque moins de point aux primaires par son manque de charisme son manque d'humanite.

j'ai lu ca kelke part:

Les conseillers de Barack obama indiquent qu’il a écrit à la main une première version de son intervention la semaine dernière, après avoir puisé l’inspiration dans les discours de Bill Clinton, de Ronald Reagan et de John F. Kennedy. La comparaison avec ce dernier revient avec insistance dans la presse américaine. Comme Obama, il avait lui aussi choisi de prononcer son discours d’investiture, en 1960, en plein air, dans un lieu différent de celui de la convention. Premier candidat noir à avoir une chance d’entrer à la Maison Blanche, Barack Obama va prononcer la phrase rituelle « j’accepte votre nomination » devant les délégués démocrates, 45 ans jour pour jour après le célèbre discours « I have a dream » de Martin Luther King. « J’avais deux ans à l’époque et je pense qu’il est juste de dire que sans ce discours, sans le mouvement qui l’a précédé, je ne serai pas à Denver », a déclaré le candidat il y a quelques jours.
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Je suis entrain de suivre CNN actuellement et apparemment McCain est sur point d'annoncer son choix pour le V.P. Je suis seulement navree du fait qu'il ait choisi le jour ou Obama fera son discours pour sortir un scoop pareil. J'ai comme l'impression qu'il veut recardrer l'attention des medias plus vers lui que sur le discours imminent d'Obama. Anyway, dirty politics is still alive. je me demande bien qui sera son V.P.
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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:23 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

foxyforever a écrit:
Je suis entrain de suivre CNN actuellement et apparemment McCain est sur point d'annoncer son choix pour le V.P. Je suis seulement navree du fait qu'il ait choisi le jour ou Obama fera son discours pour sortir un scoop pareil. J'ai comme l'impression qu'il veut recardrer l'attention des medias plus vers lui que sur le discours imminent d'Obama. Anyway, dirty politics is still alive. je me demande bien qui sera son V.P.

j'ai lu ca il ya une semaine et je viens de relire.
Il le fera forcement car je lisais qu'il voulait detourner l'attention de medias


Tonight, John McCain will talk directly to his opponent in a television ad his campaign is airing in battleground states, around the time Barack Obama accepts the presidential nomination, McCain's campaign said.

Aides would give few details beyond the fact that McCain will speak directly to the camera, addressing Obama.

The strip-tease on the ad is one of several moves by the McCain campaign that could distract attention from Obama's big night.

The campaign was fueling speculation about his running mate, who is to be named at a McCain rally in Ohio tomorrow. A top campaign official says McCain has settled on his vice presidential choice and will notify the person today.

Matt Drudge of The Drudge Report, who has high-level McCain contacts, posted a tease this morning saying: "SOURCE: NAME MAY LEAK AT 6 PM ET... WITH SOME SORT OF CONFIRMATION AT 8 PM."

Obama is scheduled to speak between 10 p.m. and 11 p.m. Eastern before a crowd of about 75,000 at a Denver stadium where the final session of the Democratic National Convention is being staged.

The leak of the McCain ticket mate would cause a news frenzy at at time when the Obama campaign wanted viewers to be focused on Obama's economic and change messages.

McCain campaign communications director Jill Hazelbaker said in an MSNBC appearance that the battleground spot is "an historic ad — I think this is the first of its kind."

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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:30 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Obama camp: McCain would be committing "political malpractice" with veep leak tonight

Annoyed by all the mind-games and leaks meant to divert attention from their candidate's long-anticipated acceptance speech tonight, Barack Obama's campaign is hitting back this afternoon and accusing their counterparts of playing poltiical games.

"Tonight would be political malpractice,"
Obama communications chief Dan Pfeiffer told Politico. "It's one more piece of evidence that the McCain campaign is a war room masquerading as a presidential campaign."

Pfeiffer did, however, call McCain's bluff.

"If they do it, I will pay all of McCain's mortgages next month," he quipped.

McCain, as Pfeiffer well knows, has no mortgages on the numerous properties and he and his wife own.

Matt Drudge is teasing a potential 6 PM leak of McCain's choice on the top of his web page, creating a frenzy of speculation today as most political reporters await Obama's speech later tonight.

McCain is set to roll out his choice at a rally tomorrow in Dayton, Ohio.
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MessagePosté le: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:31 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

s'il le fait vraiment au moment ou Obama accepte sa nomination, il prouvera une fois de plus qu'il n'a aucun respect pour son rival. Ce qui me wanda c'est depuis qu'il sortses pubs pour se moquer d'Obama, le camp d'Obama n'a jamais replique par la meme bassesse.
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